HW 77:Carbine or full length

[Hendrik 0]

Hi guys

 

Just joined the forum.Wanted to know if anyone can help me on some advice.I want to buy the HW77 for hunting but do not know if i should go with the carbine or full length.What is the advantages/disadvantages with the different sizes?

 

Hendrik

south africa

[High Accent 1]

Hi hendrik, welkom hier op THL hoop jy geniet dit hier. Sorry but i can not help you with that, coz i do not use guns..

[hiho 5]

try both of them and se which one you prefer i personly would go for full lenth

[Hendrik 0]

thanks for the replies.

 

So far points scored for each length!!Going to have a look at both the weekend,hopefully i'll get some clarity on it.any further recommendations on lengths of barrels will be welcome.keep them coming plz!!

[Edgar 1]

I don't think it will make a great deal of difference as regards accuracy or power. Just go for the 1 that feels and balances best. HW 77 is a great rifle my dad had one. I couldn't afford one so I bought the HW 57 instead which is a more lightweight under lever. It also is very good, can't go wrong with a Weihrauch!

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Barrel length is more of an issue if you're hunting in more confined spaces... like a wooded area or somewhere with ground obstructions. A shorter carbine barrel is easier to manoeuvre and less likely to get knocked on anything. Also you'll acquire your target faster when you're moving the rifle to your line of sight.

 

As for length and accuracy it's trying to find a way to explain it without going into technical physics.

 

Basically the rifle barrel, of a decent air gun, has a spiral groove for it's entire length, from breech to the end of the muzzle. This spiral spins the pellet and stabilises it. The argument with accuracy, and a longer barrel, is that it has longer to stabilise in a longer barrel, than a shorter one. With air rifles, especially 12 ft/lbs, the noticeable effects on accuracy aren't easy realised.

 

Generally I'd take a carbine over a full length rifle for the type of hunting I do. I don't carry a bench rest around with me and I don't shoot targets. I haven't got the time to sit for hours and wait for the perfect shot, on a static target. I need to be moving around the land, to different points and I need faster target acquisition. Nothing against full length rifles but if you've seen some of the woodland and brambles, I have to traverse, a full length rifle would be scratched to f**k in no time! I need results, not competition groupings.

[Coney 3]

Barrel length is more of an issue if you're hunting in more confined spaces... like a wooded area or somewhere with ground obstructions. A shorter carbine barrel is easier to manoeuvre and less likely to get knocked on anything. Also you'll acquire your target faster when you're moving the rifle to your line of sight.

 

As for length and accuracy it's trying to find a way to explain it without going into technical physics.

 

Basically the rifle barrel, of a decent air gun, has a spiral groove for it's entire length, from breech to the end of the muzzle. This spiral spins the pellet and stabilises it. The argument with accuracy, and a longer barrel, is that it has longer to stabilise in a longer barrel, than a shorter one. With air rifles, especially 12 ft/lbs, the noticeable effects on accuracy aren't easy realised.

 

Generally I'd take a carbine over a full length rifle for the type of hunting I do. I don't carry a bench rest around with me and I don't shoot targets. I haven't got the time to sit for hours and wait for the perfect shot, on a static target. I need to be moving around the land, to different points and I need faster target acquisition. Nothing against full length rifles but if you've seen some of the woodland and brambles, I have to traverse, a full length rifle would be scratched to f**k in no time! I need results, not competition groupings.

 

[Hendrik 0]

Had a look at both over the weekend and shot with them-to me it is a coin flip,since both are really nice in the their hold and weight distribution.Here in south africa i'll be shooting halve the time in open grassland and halve the time in some sort of thicket(no hide hunting),so maybe a longer barrel will be more practical for the longer shot??Point taken on the handling with the shorter one.

i have seen in the UK mags that almost everyone is shooting/hunting with super short guns(PCP's)-could that short barrel really apply enough stabilization for the pellet to gain a flat trajectory to take out rabbits at 40meters?Or is PCP's different to springers in regards to barrel length?

 

If say i was to hunt with the full length,WITH THIS GUN,could the barrel weight,due to its length,sway about or will it actually help in better lining up for the shot?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

What sort of power are you looking at getting from your rifles, over there?

 

The barrel length is negligible on 12 ft/lbs rifles but will come more into play the more power being put through the rifle.

 

I'm sure many will debate the best power output for that particular rifle but 16ft/lbs seems to be the most consistent and barrel length doesn't seem to come into play. Unless there is some monster tuning done overseas I can't see any problem with either choice and it will probably come down to a coin flip!

[Hendrik 0]

I'll be using it as is,no tuning done to it.I'm not aware of any tuning done here unless someone can suggest a tuning kit i can order from overseas!

Weihrauch advertise it as a 12ft/lb,I think.so by what said it should not be a problem then what length.Think i'll be going for the full lenth then.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I'll be using it as is,no tuning done to it.I'm not aware of any tuning done here unless someone can suggest a tuning kit i can order from overseas!

Weihrauch advertise it as a 12ft/lb,I think.so by what said it should not be a problem then what length.Think i'll be going for the full lenth then.

V Mach do an excellent tuning kit that'll take the rifle to about 16 ft/lbs. They're classed as FAC, over here in the UK, but air gun shops like Blackpool Air Rifles will export to customers from over seas.

 

They'll make a stock HW77 feel much better than standard. You'll probably benefit from the extra length of the barrel, with more power, but there still won't be much in it.

 

Let us know what you decide!

[J Darcy 5,871]

Having used them all in both lengths i would always plump for the 77 ion carbine. i do not like the 97, at all. The 77, to me, will always be the daddy of accurate springers. i have owned a few and they are totally superb. the venom tuned ones are super-slick and totally ace.Been messing wioth 77's for 20 years exactly now.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I tend to agree there, JD. I had the 77 Venom Mamba, the biggest mistake I made was selling it.

[Hendrik 0]

hi guys

 

thanks for all the advice!!In spite of the majority that says carbine,I have settled for the full length,ordered and on its way!!My reason being that the bigger rifle appeals to me and from what said,if I am going to get SOME extra accuracy due to more stabilization over longer distances,then I will be stupid not to go with it(?).

Onto the tuning!!If i would to fit a kit,can that be done at any gunsmith?And can the rifle handle the extra power without compensating on something else?

[gilly-93 31]

I prefere the longer barrels mate